Does anyone know what happened about that last modifed/classic car law change scare we had a little while ago?
I can't find anything about it anywhere.
Does anyone know anything else that may be going on eg like the black box installation so you can be taxed on road use thats going around at the moment?
I've just been speaking to one of the mot testers here at work who attended a semina last night for testers where it was mentioned that the ministry are buying into the idea of tracker devices installed into cars or built into new cars as standard so that any untested cars that are on the road can be identified and the owners bollocked. This, they hope will be happening by 2009. They way they worded it was that they will be using it ALSO so who else will be?
Whats in store for us next?
Anyone else come accross any info like this?
Modified car law changes.
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ihatesissycars
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nope but I'm just as eager to find out. I'm worried about this potential points scoring system used for modified cars I read about some months back. Basically you get points allotted for whatever is original on the car, i.e. body 3 points, engine 2 points etc, and you need a minimum value otherwise the car will require an SVA test. I hope that ain't true or my motor is screwed; only about 65% of the body is original (including the chassis) . . .
Thing is, classic cars may be except though - we have generally got away with much more than ususal (e.g. MOTs done to year of manufacture standard? - i.e. my car has no hazards etc but still passes).
Thing is, classic cars may be except though - we have generally got away with much more than ususal (e.g. MOTs done to year of manufacture standard? - i.e. my car has no hazards etc but still passes).
Tracker devices are being tested. Remote control motorbike has already been road tested - can't speed anywhere; satellite has control over speed & braking.
The more immediate thing directly relating to modded cars, is related to SVA; which although it's been around for years, has not been enforced much. Proposal as I understand it is, if mods are spotted at MOT time esp chassis mods of any kind, it's off to SVA. This may mean losing the original reg and being Q plated, which is a minor thing. Main thing is prepping an old and modified car for SVA.
Old cars won't be exempt, which is why there are trial runs of hot rods being built to go through SVA, to learn what the issues are.
The more immediate thing directly relating to modded cars, is related to SVA; which although it's been around for years, has not been enforced much. Proposal as I understand it is, if mods are spotted at MOT time esp chassis mods of any kind, it's off to SVA. This may mean losing the original reg and being Q plated, which is a minor thing. Main thing is prepping an old and modified car for SVA.
Old cars won't be exempt, which is why there are trial runs of hot rods being built to go through SVA, to learn what the issues are.
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It makes sense to ensure that any modifications carried out to a car are safe by way of maybe a super mot for these cars but mot testers aren't the sort of person capable of doing this and the mods and varied and different everytime so no two cars are ever the same so the way i see it the only other person able to test cars like this are sva testers so unless they introduce a new test to be carried out by sva testers it would mean the normal sva would have to be passed.
Its an easy, cheap and conveniant way of the Goverment sorting out the problem but also an easy way of getting the majority off the road which sucks.
If anyone wants to scale big ben wearing a batman outfit by way of protest then count me in!
Its an easy, cheap and conveniant way of the Goverment sorting out the problem but also an easy way of getting the majority off the road which sucks.
If anyone wants to scale big ben wearing a batman outfit by way of protest then count me in!
V8'less but a fountain of dorky knowledge ref v8's!
Thats at least partly why the MOT tester won't do anything re a modded car: soon as he spots certain mods, that car is off the road until SVA'd and possibly re-registered.
SVA is meant to be all-encompassing so any car regardless of age or type has to pass the same regs as this years imported Impreza or whatever. Trucks & stuff have different regs. I think there are attempts to create a separate 'street rod' class but not really sure how this ties in with everything.
Not familiar with the actual SVA regs either, but, it doesn't seem too bad. At the mo stuff can be un-done straight after SVA anyway!
I guess we're going to come more into line with Europe in the coming years, which is seriously not good.... mucho worse that what we have now. E.g. my Dad can't even legally change his own engine oil, let alone pro-street & V8 a car.... old cars driven for limited miles at pre-agreed times over routes pre-agreed with the cops. This stuff is over there now, so whats the betting it's coming this way?
Best join one of the larger groups and stand up & be counted (not necessarily on Big Ben LOL! room could be tight). I'm in the NSRA & NASC & looking at the ABD. Too lazy and stupid to do anything pro-active, but at least I'm a statistic!
SVA is meant to be all-encompassing so any car regardless of age or type has to pass the same regs as this years imported Impreza or whatever. Trucks & stuff have different regs. I think there are attempts to create a separate 'street rod' class but not really sure how this ties in with everything.
Not familiar with the actual SVA regs either, but, it doesn't seem too bad. At the mo stuff can be un-done straight after SVA anyway!
I guess we're going to come more into line with Europe in the coming years, which is seriously not good.... mucho worse that what we have now. E.g. my Dad can't even legally change his own engine oil, let alone pro-street & V8 a car.... old cars driven for limited miles at pre-agreed times over routes pre-agreed with the cops. This stuff is over there now, so whats the betting it's coming this way?
Best join one of the larger groups and stand up & be counted (not necessarily on Big Ben LOL! room could be tight). I'm in the NSRA & NASC & looking at the ABD. Too lazy and stupid to do anything pro-active, but at least I'm a statistic!
Really don't know, but would have thought that any modded vehicle spotted as such at MOT, would be sent for SVA regardless of how long its been on the road. Thats actually in place now just not really enforced. This is why there's a lot of interest in rodding circles. Some don't believe it will happen, others are waiting on builds, a few are doing SVA-specific builds.
But TBH I really don't know much of the detail, let alone what mods are going to be flagged up etc. It makes my head hurt trying to understand it all.
But TBH I really don't know much of the detail, let alone what mods are going to be flagged up etc. It makes my head hurt trying to understand it all.
okay cool, well in that case I'm gonna try and get it built asap anyway!
My car would probably fail and SVA IMO, the last MOT guy said the front wings (or, more specific, what's left of them - chopped about to fit the turbos in) were borderline failure, but the car was let off for good behaviour (and a small matter of two steel rods bolted to the front cross-member!).
I guess its a case of holding our breaths and watching spaces
My car would probably fail and SVA IMO, the last MOT guy said the front wings (or, more specific, what's left of them - chopped about to fit the turbos in) were borderline failure, but the car was let off for good behaviour (and a small matter of two steel rods bolted to the front cross-member!).
I guess its a case of holding our breaths and watching spaces
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I would try at all costs to avoid the SVA
The Dax had to go through it and it is quite and ordeal - 5 hours of some twerp form the ministry trying to fail the car. Yes that is correct they try to fail the car so they can prove they did their job!
Well the 5 hours ended up closer to 6 and things like "put all the wires inside convoluted trunking" was recorded as a fail piont. No where in the SVA manual is this a requirement and the whole loom was loom taped already! But if it is to pass the Jobsworth must get his way! Yes it was too noisy fot the first test and likewise some items were pointed out that were outside the regs and had to get fixed (minor) but he missed a drip on the fuel filter and a brake fluid leak from the brake light switch.
I agree with it as a principal to get safer cars on the road but the above is , in my mind shear stupidity to let the car pass! (Both have been fixed)
I also know of a smoker who imported an Impretza and took it for SVA - it failed for sharp edges inside the cockpit - the ashtray had been left open and the side parts did not meet the radius requirements. Send for a retest with the ashtray closed and it passed!
He is a rally driver and brought one in with aroll cage fitted and they would not SVA it with the cage - he had to remove it and return the car to road spec, SVA it then rebuild as a rally car!
Yes things can get changed after the SVA but then again so can a new car. Go and buy an Astra, then say you want the Irmscha kit fitted, and 21 inch rims with 10 profile tyres, Spinner hubcaps, tow hitch and roof rails and a set or Cibie spots at the front and the car is no longer as sold AND would fail the SVA!
There is also talk that at SVA they will take photos of the car as record and these will be on the database and viewable for MOT's - thank goodness this has not yet happened!
So I would highly recomend that if you are building a car - start with one with a log book and keep it SORN. Change one item at a time and register the change, like new engine number, then when it comes time for MOT the "big Brother system" will already have it on file.
I am not sure on the chassis mods but I will do some reading this evening
Cheers
Ian
The Dax had to go through it and it is quite and ordeal - 5 hours of some twerp form the ministry trying to fail the car. Yes that is correct they try to fail the car so they can prove they did their job!
Well the 5 hours ended up closer to 6 and things like "put all the wires inside convoluted trunking" was recorded as a fail piont. No where in the SVA manual is this a requirement and the whole loom was loom taped already! But if it is to pass the Jobsworth must get his way! Yes it was too noisy fot the first test and likewise some items were pointed out that were outside the regs and had to get fixed (minor) but he missed a drip on the fuel filter and a brake fluid leak from the brake light switch.
I agree with it as a principal to get safer cars on the road but the above is , in my mind shear stupidity to let the car pass! (Both have been fixed)
I also know of a smoker who imported an Impretza and took it for SVA - it failed for sharp edges inside the cockpit - the ashtray had been left open and the side parts did not meet the radius requirements. Send for a retest with the ashtray closed and it passed!
He is a rally driver and brought one in with aroll cage fitted and they would not SVA it with the cage - he had to remove it and return the car to road spec, SVA it then rebuild as a rally car!
Yes things can get changed after the SVA but then again so can a new car. Go and buy an Astra, then say you want the Irmscha kit fitted, and 21 inch rims with 10 profile tyres, Spinner hubcaps, tow hitch and roof rails and a set or Cibie spots at the front and the car is no longer as sold AND would fail the SVA!
There is also talk that at SVA they will take photos of the car as record and these will be on the database and viewable for MOT's - thank goodness this has not yet happened!
So I would highly recomend that if you are building a car - start with one with a log book and keep it SORN. Change one item at a time and register the change, like new engine number, then when it comes time for MOT the "big Brother system" will already have it on file.
I am not sure on the chassis mods but I will do some reading this evening
Cheers
Ian
Owner of an "On the Road" GT40 Replica by DAX powered by 3.9Hotwre Efi, worked over by DJ Motors. EFi Working but still does some kangaroo at low revs (Damn the speed limits) In to paint shop 18/03/08.
chodjinn here's some Stuff that may help, gleaned from the NSRA site; also a bit re the proposals & chassis:
Consultation doc: http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/consul ... 190404.pdf
And the problem to the future of rodding raised in their summary: http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/consul ... 190404.pdf
NSRA made an 18-page response summarised briefly here: http://www.nsra.org.uk/editorial13.htm
General SVA info: http://www.uk-hotrods.co.uk/v2/rodding_ ... aw/sva.php
In depth SVA detail here, especially re goods vehicle interpretation:
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/publica ... ations.htm
SVA manual can be ordered from here:
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/publica ... guides.htm
Useful link: http://www.colinusher.info/Robin%20Hood/sva.html
Info on how to register your pre-98 'kit', use it wisely and carefully
DVLA Local Offices (LOs) will take the introduction of SVA tests into account when considering the type approval requirements for cars and vans modified prior to 01 January 1998.
Since the introduction of these tests there has been no policy in place to allow the re-registration of modified vehicles without evidence of type approval, even where there is substantial evidence that modifications were carried out prior to the introduction of type approval. To address this, and the accuracy of DVLA's register, when a kit converted vehicle is presented to DVLA LO and there is substantial evidence available (original letter/receipt from the kit converter/supplier and/or several pre-1998 MOT certificates) showing the model of the kit, consideration may be given, following inspection of the vehicle, to registering it to reflect the make/model details without SVA.
Re chassis: From Radically altered vehicles section of the proposal:
28. There were varied responses from government departments. It was suggested; that where the original chassis was retained but the appearance changed to a different specification from the original, the vehicle should be subject to SVA, that since the introduction of the INF 26 guidelines, manufacturing processes have changed and the point system is no longer as relevant as it was, that applicants should be required to present an engineer/garage report, that a check at MoT testing would identify vehicles which had been modified but DVLA had not been notified.
Consultation doc: http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/consul ... 190404.pdf
And the problem to the future of rodding raised in their summary: http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/consul ... 190404.pdf
NSRA made an 18-page response summarised briefly here: http://www.nsra.org.uk/editorial13.htm
General SVA info: http://www.uk-hotrods.co.uk/v2/rodding_ ... aw/sva.php
In depth SVA detail here, especially re goods vehicle interpretation:
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/publica ... ations.htm
SVA manual can be ordered from here:
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/publica ... guides.htm
Useful link: http://www.colinusher.info/Robin%20Hood/sva.html
Info on how to register your pre-98 'kit', use it wisely and carefully
DVLA Local Offices (LOs) will take the introduction of SVA tests into account when considering the type approval requirements for cars and vans modified prior to 01 January 1998.
Since the introduction of these tests there has been no policy in place to allow the re-registration of modified vehicles without evidence of type approval, even where there is substantial evidence that modifications were carried out prior to the introduction of type approval. To address this, and the accuracy of DVLA's register, when a kit converted vehicle is presented to DVLA LO and there is substantial evidence available (original letter/receipt from the kit converter/supplier and/or several pre-1998 MOT certificates) showing the model of the kit, consideration may be given, following inspection of the vehicle, to registering it to reflect the make/model details without SVA.
Re chassis: From Radically altered vehicles section of the proposal:
28. There were varied responses from government departments. It was suggested; that where the original chassis was retained but the appearance changed to a different specification from the original, the vehicle should be subject to SVA, that since the introduction of the INF 26 guidelines, manufacturing processes have changed and the point system is no longer as relevant as it was, that applicants should be required to present an engineer/garage report, that a check at MoT testing would identify vehicles which had been modified but DVLA had not been notified.
