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Helicoil / time serts

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:56 pm
by Devonrod
I have two stripped threads on the heads that came with my 4.6 engine. I have made up some jigs to drill out and put inserts in, I don't want to fork out for a time sert kit, you can buy individual inserts for £3 or so, any one know what STI tap I would need for 3/8 unc time sert ?
One of the holes has been messed with and im not sure if a helicoil or time sert would work, anyone know if there are any larger OD ones available?
I guess I could make up a alloy bung and die/thread it to fit if all else fails !

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:10 am
by DaveEFI
I'd always assumed the taps used for Helicoils are a special, so the expensive part of the kit. That and the odd sized drill.

To do it at the lowest cost, buy a kit then sell it on Ebay after you've finished?

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:16 pm
by stevieturbo
You can buy helicoil kits from as low as £15 through to over £50 for a few sizes.

That's everything, drill bit, helicoils, taps etc

I've a few of the V-Coil ones in metric sizes. Handy sets to have

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-8-UNC-V-Coi ... 1c352c4fbf

Also have some "silverline" which this appears to be, again all good.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HELICOIL-TYPE ... 56688e5f1e

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:33 pm
by Devonrod
Thanks for the replies I have helicoils but I was asking about time serts, these kits start at £50 odd, although helicoils are fine most say time sert are better.-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFSyfY1VLtU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anjDQJtWFc8

Time sert ebay-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-WURTH-UNC- ... 588f50d037

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:05 pm
by stevieturbo
I cant see anything you would possibly need on most engines where you'd need anything stronger than a helicoil.

Especially as a helicoil thread insert is already stronger than a thread into the bare aluminium.

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:25 pm
by SimpleSimon
stevieturbo wrote:I cant see anything you would possibly need on most engines where you'd need anything stronger than a helicoil.

Especially as a helicoil thread insert is already stronger than a thread into the bare aluminium.
This ^ yes Time-Serts are better quality IMO but they are also more expensive too 8)

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:11 pm
by Eliot
Are they exhaust threads?
I had one on my P38, drilled it out and tapped it to M12. I used a M12 Cap screw which surprisingly fitted through the existing holes on the exhaust manifold, but I also turned a "waist" on the top half of it to give it some extra clearance.
If the hole hadn't of been previously messed around with I think an M10 would of gone in, but I had to go out to M12 in order to clean the hole out.

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:41 pm
by DaveEFI
Time-Sert might well be better on a thread which is heavily used. But on a normal engine, how often do you take things off?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:06 am
by SimpleSimon
DaveEFI wrote:Time-Sert might well be better on a thread which is heavily used. But on a normal engine, how often do you take things off?
Precisely 8-)

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:40 am
by DaveEFI
I had an idea about doing a heli-coil loan system.

You'd pay a deposit covering the purchase price of the kit, and get it refunded less the costs of the bits used on return. And of course a (small) additional fee to cover wear and tear.

Suggested it to the SD1 club with absolutely no interest. :D

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:45 pm
by stevieturbo
DaveEFI wrote:I had an idea about doing a heli-coil loan system.

You'd pay a deposit covering the purchase price of the kit, and get it refunded less the costs of the bits used on return. And of course a (small) additional fee to cover wear and tear.

Suggested it to the SD1 club with absolutely no interest. :D
Kits are dirt cheap and handy to have.

Just buy as you go, then you always have them there and then when you need them in the future.

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:31 pm
by Devonrod
Well I drilled out the offending holes using the jigs I made, and all came out good both will accept helicoils , then I casually ran a straight edge over the heads only to find them warped !
Its a better pair of HRC2479 heads or skimming, whats the most you can skim ?