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bodger wrote:
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r2d2hp wrote:This goes some way to explain why std leads would break down - see item 5

http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/Hints.html
And what it does say is to make sure you use OEM parts. :D
the ones that dont last ...lol

I like the copper core , i just use the existing connectors and tin them and solder the wire straight to them :)
Chances are you're wiping out some form of 'radio' reception each time you drive past. :D

There is no reason to use solid core cable given there are modern resistive alternatives with a good life.


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So thanks for your help and what I am going for is below. Seems a good price too and there are some good reviews on Powerspark - I certainly got a comprehensive answer and they asked for photos to ensure they had the correct spec. Let's hope it all works OK.

Powerspark 8mm Ferroflex is our premium brand ignition cable for use where high performance is essential. The ferromagnetic core uses fibreglass and Kevlar base onto which is extruded a ferromagnetic compound which is tightly wound with a stainless steel resistance wire bound with a conductive lacquer. This design ensures maximum spark quality with virtually zero voltage loss while still maintaining an excellent level of EMP suppression

Covering: Insulation Outer Sheath Temperature Rating
SILICONE -40 to +220ºC

Reinforcement: Glass fibre braids Double Silicon

Wire type: ferromagnetic core uses a fibreglass and Kevlar base with a tightly wound with a stainless steel resistance wire bound with a conductive lacquer

Specification: 8.0mm diameter.
35.0 - 45.0 kV RMS BDV (typically)
Fully approved to ISO3808:2002(R) Class F Type 4
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A bit miffed really, as after several e-mails and requested photos to ensure correct ones they turned up as standard connectors instead of coil pack connectors.

Anyone have 8 Ford Gen 2 (M4 / Sagem / Valeo) 90 degree connectors or know where I can get them from? I've looked everywhere and all I need are the 8 brass ends.
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try ebay, megasquirt-v8.co.uk, or trigger wheels
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Ah- just noticed you said gen 2 - the taller ones? Sorry, I was looking at the gen1 clip on style ones.
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DaveEFI wrote:
bodger wrote:
DaveEFI wrote: And what it does say is to make sure you use OEM parts. :D
the ones that dont last ...lol

I like the copper core , i just use the existing connectors and tin them and solder the wire straight to them :)
Chances are you're wiping out some form of 'radio' reception each time you drive past. :D

There is no reason to use solid core cable given there are modern resistive alternatives with a good life.
It just SEEMS all wrong to go to the trouble getting a high output coil with a higher-than normal Kv and then feed the spark via a (dropping) resistor. Probably legally required for road use (RFI) but for ultimate performance from your new super-duper ign setup?
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A spark action is a lot more complicated than two resistors in series with DC.
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DaveEFI wrote:A spark action is a lot more complicated than two resistors in series with DC.
Can you clarify plse?
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Very basically a spark gap before it fires has a very high impedance in relation to the plug lead one. With two resistors in series, if one is very large and one small, you can ignore the smaller one for all practical purposes.
When the breakdown voltage of the spark gap is applied and a spark occurs, the impedance of the gap becomes very much lower due to ionisation of the gas between the points.

Do a Google on spark gap for lots of further information.
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DaveEFI wrote:Very basically a spark gap before it fires has a very high impedance in relation to the plug lead one. With two resistors in series, if one is very large and one small, you can ignore the smaller one for all practical purposes.
When the breakdown voltage of the spark gap is applied and a spark occurs, the impedance of the gap becomes very much lower due to ionisation of the gas between the points.

Do a Google on spark gap for lots of further information.
Still don't get it. Until the pd reaches the point where it can 'jump' the spark plug gap, no real current is flowing and so the resistance of the leads would have no effect, I understand that. But when the pd reaches high enough to break down the gap and make the spark, a current is flowing (and in some race cars a very high current) so the resistance of the leads would now have an effect on the current flow.

I always understood for max spark you needed copper core leads, but then to use them on the road you needed supressed caps (old) or the newer supressed leads. Not really for limiting the current, but for shaping the waveform, making it a little more rounded, and so eliminating harmonics of the relatively low frequency ignition being produced that could extend into the rf band and so cause interference.

Or am I way off beam here?
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